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Romans 9: jacob and esau, and the potter and the clay

What Christian writers said, from about AD 174 to 1932.

54 passages · 25 writers · 9 centuries

The short answer

Many writers read Romans 9 as an account of God's free choice, using Jacob and Esau, who were chosen or passed over before they had done good or evil. Calvin, Luther, Augustine, and Hodge take the passage to teach that God's choice rests on his will and not on foreseen merit. Wesley and Schaff say the words about Jacob and Esau do not concern their eternal state, and Irenaeus says Rebecca's children were a prediction of two nations. On Pharaoh and the potter, Calvin and Luther hold that God hardens and makes vessels as he wills, while Chrysostom and Finney say the vessels of wrath fitted themselves for destruction, and Barnes says they are people who by long continuance in iniquity deserve wrath. Augustine answers the charge of injustice by pointing to God's mercy toward the unworthy and the words "Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it," and Calvin says Paul rests God's defense on God's own right.

Jacob and Esau (Romans 9:6-13)

23 passages · 16 writers · 100s to 1900s

Calvin, Luther, Augustine, and Hodge say the choice of Jacob before birth shows that election is not by works. Wesley says the passage does not relate to the persons of Jacob or Esau or to their eternal state, and Schaff says it refers to their representative position in the history of the theocracy and not to their eternal destiny. Irenaeus says the children brought forth by Rebecca were a prediction of two nations. Barnes says the principle that God may make a distinction among people without reference to their works applies to individuals as it does to nations. Chrysostom says one was loved and the other hated because one was wicked and the other good, and that God saw from the first which was which.

1525 · Martin Luther, The Bondage of the Will (De Servo Arbitrio) 101

If then those effects take place, they do not take place but according to the will of God. Hence, therefore, what God wills, that He loves and hates. Now then, tell me, for what merit did God love Jacob or hate Esau, before they wrought, or were born? Wherefore it stands manifest, that Paul most rightly adduces Malachi in support of the passage from Moses: that is, that God therefore called Jacob before he was born, because He loved him; but that He was not first loved by Jacob, nor moved to love him from any merit in him. So that, in the cases of Jacob and Esau, it is shewn — what ability there is in our “Free-will”!

1540 · John Calvin, Commentary on Romans 9.11

He had indeed before briefly noticed, that there was a difference between the natural children of Abraham, that though all were adopted by circumcision into a participation of the covenant, yet the grace of God was not effectual in them all; and hence that they, who enjoy the favor of God, are the children of the promise. But how it thus happened, he has been either silent or has obscurely hinted. Now indeed he openly ascribes the whole cause to the election of God, and that gratuitous, and in no way depending on men; so that in the salvation of the godly nothing higher (nihil superius) must be sought than the goodness of God, and nothing higher in the perdition of the reprobate than his just severity. Then the first proposition is, — “As the blessing of the covenant separates the Israelitic nation from all other people, so the election of God makes a distinction between men in that nation, while he predestinates some to salvation, and others to eternal condemnation.” The second proposition is, — “There is no other basis for this election than the goodness of God alone, and also since the fall of Adam, his mercy; which embraces whom he pleases, without any regard whatever to their works.” The third is, — “The Lord in his gratuitous election is free and exempt from the necessity of imparting equally the same grace to all; but, on the contrary, he passes by whom he wills, and whom he wills he chooses.”

1754 · John Wesley, Explanatory Notes on Romans 9.13

This does not relate to the person of Jacob or Esau 2. Nor does it relate to the eternal state either of them or their posterity. Thus far the apostle has been proving his proposition, namely, that the exclusion of a great part of the seed of Abraham, yea, and of Isaac, from the special promises of God, was so far from being impossible, that, according to the scriptures themselves, it had actually happened. He now introduces and refutes an objection.

Mercy on whom he will, and Pharaoh (Romans 9:14-18)

16 passages · 13 writers · 200s to 1900s

Calvin says God's words to Moses mean that no cause higher than his own will can be thought of for his showing favor to some and not to all, and that hardening in Scripture means not only permission but the operation of God's wrath. Augustine says God extends mercy by undeserved grace and hardens without injustice, so that the one pardoned cannot glory in his own merit and the one condemned can complain only of his own demerit. Luther says Paul answers the objectors with the words that God has mercy on whom he will and hardens whom he will. Wesley says God has a right to fix the terms on which he will show mercy, and that he shows compassion only to those who submit to those terms. Arndt says God hardens only those who by unbelief and impenitence have hardened themselves, and Tertullian says Pharaoh deserved to be influenced to his destruction because he had already denied God.

c. 421–422 · Augustine of Hippo, Enchiridion on Faith, Hope, and Love 99

Now after commending the mercy of God, saying, “So it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy,” that he might commend His justice also (for the man who does not obtain mercy finds, not iniquity, but justice, there being no iniquity with God), he immediately adds: “For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.” And then he draws a conclusion that applies to both, that is, both to His mercy and His justice: “Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth.” “He hath mercy” of His great goodness, “He hardeneth” without any injustice; so that neither can he that is pardoned glory in any merit of his own, nor he that is condemned complain of anything but his own demerit. For it is grace alone that separates the redeemed from the lost, all having been involved in one common perdition through their common origin. Now if any one, on hearing this, should say, “Why doth He yet find fault? for who hath resisted His will?” as if a man ought not to be blamed for being bad, because God hath mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth, God forbid that we should be ashamed to answer as we see the apostle answered: “Nay, but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast Thou made me thus?

1540 · John Calvin, Commentary on Romans 9.18

There is therefore no doubt but that Paul, as we have already reminded you, speaks these things in his own person, namely, that God, according to his own will, favors with mercy them whom he pleases, and unsheathes the severity of his judgment against whomsoever it seemeth him good. That our mind may be satisfied with the difference which exists between the elect and the reprobate, and may not inquire for any cause higher than the divine will, his purpose was to convince us of this — that it seems good to God to illuminate some that they may be saved, and to blind others that they may perish: for we ought particularly to notice these words, to whom he wills, and, whom he wills: beyond this he allows us not to proceed. But the word hardens, when applied to God in Scripture, means not only permission, (as some washy moderators would have it,) but also the operation of the wrath of God: for all those external things, which lead to the blinding of the reprobate, are the instruments of his wrath; and Satan himself, who works inwardly with great power, is so far his minister, that he acts not, but by his command. Then that frivolous evasion, which the schoolmen have recourse to respecting foreknowledge, falls to the ground: for Paul teaches us, that the ruin of the wicked is not only foreseen by the Lord, but also ordained by his counsel and his will; and Solomon teaches us the same thing, — that not only the destruction of the wicked is foreknown, but that the wicked themselves have been created for this very end — that they may perish.

1540 · John Calvin, Commentary on Romans 9.15

It may indeed appear a frigid defence that God is not unjust, because he is merciful to whom he pleases; but as God regards his own authority alone as abundantly sufficient, so that he needs the defence of none, Paul thought it enough to appoint him the vindicator of his own right. Now Paul brings forward here the answer which Moses received from the Lord, when he prayed for the salvation of the whole people, “I will show mercy,” was God’s answer, “on whom I will show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” By this oracle the Lord declared that he is a debtor to none of mankind, and that whatever he gives is a gratuitous benefit, and then that his kindness is free, so that he can confer it on whom he pleases; and lastly, that no cause higher than his own will can be thought of, why he does good and shows favor to some men but not to all. The words indeed mean as much as though he had said, “From him to whom I have once purposed to show mercy, I will never take it away; and with perpetual kindness will I follow him to whom I have determined to be kind.” And thus he assigns the highest reason for imparting grace, even his own voluntary purpose, and also intimates that he has designed his mercy peculiarly for some; for it is a way of speaking which excludes all outward causes, as when we claim to ourselves the free power of acting, we say, “I will do what I mean to do.” The relative pronoun also expressly intimates, that mercy is not to all indiscriminately. His freedom is taken away from God, when his election is bound to external causes.

The potter and the vessels (Romans 9:19-24)

15 passages · 13 writers · 200s to 1800s

Calvin says Paul's potter illustration points to the hidden purpose of God, by which he has predestinated some to salvation and some to destruction. Luther argues that the potter's power to make what vessel he will would be lost if God had to make them according to merit, and Edwards says Paul's words about vessels of mercy and wrath show God's sovereignty over a particular person, Pharaoh, and not only over nations. Chrysostom and Finney say the vessels of wrath fitted themselves for destruction, and Barnes says the phrase means people who by long continuance in iniquity deserve wrath. Schaff says many commentators from Chrysostom to Weiss read Romans 9:22 as "who fitted themselves for destruction." Wesley says God appoints the believer to honour and the unbeliever to dishonour, and that he hardens only in the sense of suffering men to be hardened in consequence of their obstinate wickedness.

c. 386–398 · John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Epistle to the Romans 16

So also here must we single out the clay, the potter, and the vessels. And when he does go on to say, “Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?” do not suppose that this is said by Paul as an account of the creation, nor as implying a necessity over the will, but to illustrate the sovereignty and difference of dispensations; for if we do not take it in this way, divers incongruities will follow, for if here he were speaking about the will, and those who are good and those not so, He will be Himself the Maker of these, and man will be free from all responsibility. And at this rate, Paul will also be shown to be at variance with himself, as he always bestows chief honor upon free choice. There is nothing else then which he here wishes to do, save to persuade the hearer to yield entirely to God, and at no time to call Him to account for anything whatever. For as the potter (he says) of the same lump makes what he pleaseth, and no one forbids it; thus also when God, of the same race of men, punisheth some, and honoreth others, be not thou curious nor meddlesome herein, but worship only, and imitate the clay.

1525 · Martin Luther, The Bondage of the Will (De Servo Arbitrio) 106

And thus, an effectual answer is given to Paul and his similitude. He must recall it, and allow it to be utterly ineffective: and must so attemper it, that this potter (according to the Diatribe’s interpretation) make the vessel to dishonour from merit preceding: in the same manner in which He rejected some Jews on account of unbelief, and received Gentiles on account of faith. But if God work thus, and have respect unto merit, why do those impious ones murmur and expostulate? Why do they say, “Why doth He find fault? for who hath resisted His will?” (Rom. ix. 19). And what need was there for Paul to restrain them? For who wonders even, much less is indignant and expostulates, when any one is damned who merited damnation? Moreover where remains the power of the potter to make what vessel He will, if, being subject to merit and laws, He is not permitted to make what He will, but is required to make what He ought? The respect of merit militates against the power and liberty of making what He will: as is proved by that “good man of the house,” who, when the workmen murmured and expostulated concerning their right, objected in answer, “Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?” — These are the arguments, which will not permit the gloss of the Diatribe to be of any avail.

1859 · Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Spurgeon's Sermons, Volume 5 (1859) 239

“What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.” But it does not say anything about fitting men for destruction; they fitted themselves. They did that: God had nothing to do with it. But when men are saved, God fits them for that. All the glory to God in salvation; all the blame to men in damnation. If any of you want to know what I preach every day, and any stranger should say, “Give me a summary of his doctrine,” say this, “He preaches salvation all of grace, and damnation all of sin. He gives God all the glory for every soul that is saved, but he won’t have it that God is to blame for any man that is damned.” That teaching I cannot understand. My soul revolts at the idea of a doctrine that lays the blood of man’s soul at God’s door. I cannot conceive how any human mind, at least any Christian mind, can hold any such blasphemy as that. I delight to preach this blessed truth—salvation of God, from first to last—the Alpha and the Omega; but when I come to preach damnation, I say, damnation of man, not of God; and if you perish, at your own hands must your blood be required.